Speed tanking at 120km doesn't work so well because your angular velocity drops as you get further from the origin.

These 5km/s trollceptors orbitting at 120km are only moving around the central point at

5/120x2 = 0.02 rad/s

edit: doh my maths, fixed

A interceptor can keep a lock at 120 km?

OK. Shows what I know about fitting. But remember, you cannot warp with a running Etonsis link. You have to wait for it to end its cycle. That makes the 2 second align a little less useful.
Also there is this:
"Activating an Entosis Link also causes ships to become extremely vulnerable for the duration of the moduleGÇÖs cycle: the equipped ship cannot warp, dock, jump or receive remote assistance until the cycle completes."
I'm not sure if that extends to RSBs.
Now all the defender need to is bring a faster ship and run you down.

That's the problem. Harassment as it looks now appears to be the best strategy. Breaking their armies is impossible, so break their wills. While, yes, that's one way to win a war, we are looking for fun gameplay here. Put some onus on the attacker.

On the entire interceptor thing: If it really does become a big issue, a simple change would be:

"Activating an Entosis Link also causes ships to become extremely vulnerable for the duration of the moduleGÇÖs cycle: the equipped ship cannot warp, MICROWARP, MICROJUMP, dock, jump or receive remote assistance until the cycle completes."

New idea added in caps. Its not as limiting as being stuck in place, but my guess is it's enough.

Sniper ship at zero running a defensive link = dead ceptor. Enough about the ceptors already.

It is incredible how many posts are devoted to interceptors while we have no idea about the fitting... imho one of the more elegant solutions (assuming its even an issue) would be making the entosis module thingy relatively cap hungry.

And the escalation begins. In a few iterations of counter vs counter, Titans will be on the field.

Seriously, who cares? There's not an interceptor with the lock range needed in existence that missiles can't trash. Yay, CCP fixed missiles.

20 (or fewer) Kitsunes.

So thats 2bil in intys countered by 400mil in ewar frigs.

The T2 module is 100m iirc so either the inties are orbitting within easy web scram range with the T1 version, or they cost 100m+

Which is also gonna be hilarious if they hit a smartbomb camp on the way out

An interesting system with a few flaws which, if addressed, would make it worth trying on TQ.

* Reduce the range on the T2 entosis link to 50km. You want to bring ships in at a reasonable range for a fight to happen, and not just have a bunch of inty's circling the target at max range.

* Consider the minimum PG requirements of the entosis module to require a battlecruiser or above to use, again, to force actual fights instead of kiting/trolling crap.

* Perhaps the entosis module also prevents propulsion mods from activating? Just a thought.

* It might be more interesting to use the hacking minigame in some fashion instead of adding a 'sov laser'.

Precisely, it's no surprise that they're being hyped up as gamebreaking by TMC and on this thread - it's because goons don't want them to threaten their sprawl and want to get rid of them now.

What, all 4 hours of "prime time" YOU DICTATE?

The horror you might have a 4 hour kill farming window.

WOE IS ME.

Endlessly... for four hours in the actual space you're actively using anyways.


Oh look here's one of them, surprisingly you don't like the idea of them either and try to disparage my remarks rather than dealing with the fact that the obvious counter is pretty much ANYTHING in the game sitting at zero and running a defensive link. You could probably do it with a rorqual whilst boosting your mining fleet if you really want to bait them into an actual fight

Sounds like good content creation - then they'll just flip it back 2 days later once you're bored of it - or are you actually then going to commit to fighting there, inhabiting the space and raising the indices yourself?

It'd be great to see Goons come through on this, own the whole map for 2 days if you think you can - I'd be a willing spectator to a player driven event like that.

You can't dictate a battle when you're all in ships that do <100 dps. Sure you can cyno some caps in to one or two systems at a time, maybe even try moving them through gates to assist in multiple command point fights but when you're dedicating your numbers into essentially useless combat hulls you won't be able to hold a grid to complete your RFs or captures without bringing in reinforcements in far more killable ships.

People that are worried about the T2 Entosis link range of 250km been op.

it sounds like its a targeted module, so whatever ship fits it can only burn around in a bubble of its own target range, not the full 250k bubble

The primetime idea definitely needs a different idea behind it

a little

but would it be fun if a single person can reinforce your POS or POCO just because he had a noobship and activate a module for 10min? that would be a timer where you have to show up

I've been thinking about these blitzing inty fleets. My first though was about all the tools at our disposal to counter such lol-fit ships, for which there are plenty. However, further pondering has brought to mine the underlying problem that is driving this ridiculous scenario:

It comes down to the battle of effort. Sov. war, over the years, has basically evolved into break-their-will campaigns, where you first exhaust your opponent's will to fight long before you successfully take their space. The problem with the proposed scenario isn't so much inty's RF'ing structures, but that the effort to reclaim those structures is pretty heavy.

We can prevent inties and dessies from fitting the entosis link, but we'll still have the same situation. It is very easy for an organization to segregate their fleet into many, many small parts that simultaneously attack the sov of many structures. While many of these individuals will be countered, many more will also succeed. This is true anytime you have an empire expanding more than a constellation. Every successfully RF'd structure then results in a not insignificant effort by the defenders to reclaim the system or lose it.

The disparity is in the effort to RF the structure vs the effort to reclaim it. That is really what needs to be balanced.

Truth be told, if no one shows up, I believe the structures should revert back to the original owners control naturally. Also, I feel like there needs to be an additional step (i.e. an investment in effort) before the attackers truly make sov vulnerable.

Focusing on link fit inties is really sidetracking us from the above discussion, which is something we should be having.

You realise you then have a 10-40 minute timer depending on indices AFTER the first cycle is finished that you need to keep running your link on that structure for right?

edit: and which can be reversed by a defensive link back to zero if you just run away

Sov is hard, its suppose to be. I don't agree with the current system, but making it into a laughing stock of "okay during this 4 hours we need 100 Frigates to remove Sov" isn't going to make it fun, its going to make it more of a pain. A game of "okay whoever collects the most nodes the fastest wins". Not to mention ignoring a few of the other unpleasant things in the game that people have been screaming about for years.

I think this is an okay start, but the new changes as is are seriously lacking thought and easily abused by loop-holers. I would prefer to see this held off til a more thought out system has been planned, not a rushed patch fix.

Exactly so who's worse off, the alliance with hundreds of systems and timers to worry about (and manage their fleet distribution and defence over) or the one with just two or three?

Goons know this is gonna bend them over backwards logistically - just one bad day and they then need to deal with potentially hundreds or even thousands of timers to grind down in their own space.

edit: And aside from spy intel, they don't know which one's are gonna escalate.